Monday, November 12, 2012

The Privatization Presentation-- An Underwhelming Response.

A mockery of the proposition to privatize.

"I think I realized why Jacob's trying to change the system."

"Why?"

"I think he's just trying to make a system where he doesn't have to do anything at all."


Numerous questions followed my blog post last week-- "Privatizing the Dorm: A Practical Application of Economic Theory" (If you haven't read it- I recommend you read that first before you proceed). At the request of many inquisitive dormmates and friends, I collected a presentation to illustrate what a fully private dorm might look like, and why it would be more efficient than a dorm with collective ownership of scarce resources.

I was thoroughly mocked.

Conversations like the one above were made commonplace, along with post-it notes labeling supposed ownership of various items throughout the dorm-- sometimes with a ridiculous price tag for its usage.






This Dormmate has claimed ownership of my bed.












Absurd price tags were often attached to the various notes, reflecting the frequent complaint that we'd have to pay for things we've already bought.








My own coupon pack-- plastered with a dormmate's label.
There were several major recurring complaints, and I did answer them- each and every one. Since some of you may have had similar considerations, I'll pose them in a Question (the complaint)/Answer (my response) format.

The PRIVATE DORM FAQ

Q: Aren't we just paying for things we already bought?

A: Certainly not-- the system merely makes better use of them. To think of it on the basis of 'what you lose' and 'what you gain', consider that where before each dormmate essentially owned "1/6th" of each source of capital, be it the stove or the sink or the dishwasher, they will now own 100% of 1/6th of the sources of capital. While you might have to pay to use property owned by a dormmate, he'll end up paying you to use yours, so it's ultimately a zero-sum game (or pretty close) that simply encourages the efficient use of resources.

Q: Wouldn't this mean that every time one wants to use the sink, toilet, oven, couch, etc, they would have to find the owner to pay them? (Assuming they, themselves, don't own it of course) Doesn't that take too much time and cause too much hassle?

A: No, the owner would not have to be located each time you wanted to use what he owns. Instead, owners of capital- be they owners of the sink, the toilet, the oven or whatever, could simply leave a sign above what they own, describing the fee for using it. For example, if I own the sink, I would leave a paper on the wall behind it reading "wash three dishes, leave a dime", then I'd have a pouch beside the paper where customers could leave their payment. This way neither one of us would have to meet each other face-to-face each and every time the other wanted use of my property. Should I worry that the pouch be stolen in such an open location, I could always ask the customer to leave the dime on my desk down the hall.

Background for the next Question: In my presentation I described one of the benefits of privatizing the two showers, which is more accurately allocating their usage to those who obtain the most benefit from them. I posed the example where two dormmates wake up at the same time and make for the showers, but only one is open. Both want to use it, but one of them will have to wait. In the current system, the showers-- being community property-- are allocated in a "first come, first served" manner, and so the two dormmates would race to enter the shower and remove their clothing. The first one in gets the shower first, even if he has his next class in 2 hours, and the other, who must wait, has his own class in just 30 minutes.
Were the showers owned privately, imagine the owner standing at the doorway-- he being the one who allows either of them to enter. Rather than let them race, the owner-- being self-interested-- will use the opportunity to make the most money he can, and so will ask each of the customers how much they are willing to pay him for the shower. The customers will bid against each other, and the one who offers the most will go first. This is a more accurate representation of who has the greatest benefit from the shower's use, because all else equal- the man with 2 hours to wait would not be willing to pay as much as he with only 30 minutes of time.

Q: Your bidding scenario includes the shower's owner standing at the doorway, but it was said earlier that the owners and the customers would not have to meet face-to-face in order to make transactions. Assuming the owner could not be there when two men race for the shower, wouldn't your supposed benefit be lost, since a sign with a price tag has no ability to pose an auction?

A: Not so, because while a sign cannot pose an auction, it can list a price that corresponds to the demand of the consumers-- the market price. If the shower's owner overhears that men are racing to his shower every morning because everyone, even those who can wait 2 hours, is willing to pay the low fee, he will raise the price in order to increase his profits. In the case of a shower, since the demand is higher in the morning than the afternoon and evening, the profit-maximizing price would be structured around the time of day. The sign might read "6-9 am: x cents, 9:01am-12pm: y cents, 12:01pm-5:59am: z cents, where x>y>z. When one dormmate is rushing to his 8:30 class, he won't have to worry about dormmates with class two hours later, since said other dormmates can and will wait until the price is lower.

Q: How would these rules be enforced? Who's to say that people won't make use of other's property as they please without paying the ascribed fee?

A: Enforcement is an issue present in both the current system and the one I propose-- since no dormmate represents the United States government, we don't have enforcers with guns and prisons to ensure that everyone is playing by the rules. There are ways around this however, some of which have already been implemented. Rule-breakers can be shamed by the community, or be made to feel guilty, which, while more effective on some than on others, does impose a cost. If that cost is greater than the modest fee, it stands to reason that people will not break the rules. Additional costs to breaking rules can be imposed if rule-breakers are isolated. Individuals within the dorm can withhold trade, assistance and friendship to those who use their property without payment, and it would make sense for them to do so. In combination these costs can be very large, and while perhaps an imperfect means of enforcing rules, it is as best we can do in *any* system, and should work fine for this one.

Q: What is to stop the man with the sink from overpricing the use of his property? After all, there is only one kitchen sink, so doesn't he have a monopoly? Wouldn't the same would be true of the man with the dishwasher and the man with the toilet?

A: In each of these cases, the answer is no-- there isn't a monopoly. While there's only one kitchen sink, there is also a bathroom sink, which *could* be used for dishwashing. While there's only one dishwasher, there is dishwashing soap and a scrub brush, which could be used in its stead. While there is only one toilet in any given room, the building contains a toilet on the basement level that can be accessed at all times of day. Each of these options is sub-par, and should the system ever come to people using the bathroom sink to wash dishes it can be assumed that inefficiency abounds, but their existence means that they would never have to be used for such reasons. For example, the man with the kitchen sink knows that if he *were* to charge ridiculous prices, his customers would move to the bathroom and he would lose profits-- therefore he won't charge ridiculous prices, and his customers won't move to the bathroom.

Q: Suppose the man with the kitchen sink and the man with the bathroom sink collaborated with one another to fix prices. Since they are each other's only competition, couldn't they severely overprice their services together? Alternatively, and along the same lines, suppose that one man were to buy the sinks in both the bathroom *and* the kitchen. Would he not have a monopoly with ownership of both competing sources of capital?

A: The scenario described in the first part of the question, and others like it, are known as "trusts", which are highly unstable and unlikely to last. To see why, let's say Gary owns the kitchen sink and Jimmy owns the one in the bathroom-- they've formed a trust by agreeing to fix their prices abnormally high. When Gary leaves for class in the morning one day, Jimmy realizes-- just before he leaves-- that by quickly modifying his price sheet and charging a much lower fee, he could undercut Gary's business and steal all the customers for the entire day. When Gary returns to the dorm room later that night, his money pouch is empty and there's a party in the bathroom. Gary then cuts his prices to match the norm, and the trust is broken. Since Gary and Jimmy both know that at any time the other might break the trust, it's in their respective best interests to do it first, and so the trust will be broken relatively quickly, if not the following day. Furthermore, Jimmy might decide to change his price sheet and lower prices while Gary is gone, and then quickly change them back before Gary arrives home in order to maintain the "trust" while stealing customers. As soon as word gets out and Gary overhears Jimmy's trickery (he's likely already suspicious due to a newfound loss in revenue), he'll break off the trust and things will go back to normal.

This follows a commonly-known aspect of game theory called "The Prisoner's Dilemma", where even though two people, in this case the two members of the trust, are *both better off* if they made one decision (simultaneously accepting and keeping the trust), they will both fail to make that decision out of fear that they will be 'backstabbed', and obtain the worst of all outcomes.

The second part of the question is easier said than done, as is well known by players of the board game "Monopoly." If you own Park Place (the bathroom sink) and another player owns Boardwalk (the sink in the kitchen), when that other player asks you for Park Place, do you charge him the listed price you bought it for of $350? The answer is-- only if you like losing the game of Monopoly. And while it's true that in the board game people *do* obtain Monopolies at some point, it tends only to happen in a "wild west" format, where people claim properties by getting lucky and simply "landing" on them-- a concept that's impossible in a dorm room scenario. When each source of capital is auctioned off from the get-go, dorm mates are sure to be unwilling to let anyone obtain a monopoly in any given market, and that's the way things are likely to stay. Should one person somehow acquire a massive sum of money from some outside source (like landing on "Go"), and use it to buy out his market, I think he'll quickly find that he wants to sell it back-- for a couple reasons:
1. There will always be other forms of substitution
Even if someone owns the kitchen sink *and* the bathroom sink, the building is littered with dorm rooms, and customers can always go next door to wash their dishes in the sink of a neighbor, offering a little monetary compensation or a friendly favor. This means that even though the dorm's supposed "monopolist" can charge a little extra to prevent such a journey, he couldn't raise prices through the roof by threatening entirely your ability to wash a dish.
2. Management costs would be high
Management costs would rise for two reasons.
First of all, in order to maximize the benefit from a source of capital, a fair bit of work is involved. Demand for various goods may fluctuate with the time of day, the type of weather, the occasion, the proximity of a holiday or whatever else, and making sure you price things right takes some level of time or resources-- which would increase as you manage a larger share of the market.
To explain the second reason, first know that owners of capital can often increase their revenue through innovation. For example, the owner of the bathroom sink may come up with the bright idea to install a grate in the sink's pipeline-- not too much trouble to access from underneath-- thereby granting customers the ease of simply tossing their fee down the drain. This innovation makes customers more likely to pay when they use the bathroom sink, and the man with the kitchen sink may "free-ride" off this idea since, while he didn't think of it on his own, it still applies to his business. In this way, management costs are raised for industrialists in a market when the number of people who are busily thinking of ways to make revenue in said market are cut down.

Since the cost of obtaining this monopoly in the first place was so incredibly high, and likewise the price one is willing to pay to break the monopoly is great, the sink-monopolist would find his monopoly unprofitable, and choose to sell one of the sinks back to another dormmate. This ends the monopoly and reverts prices to their normal state.

Q: If a fully private dorm is such a great idea, why doesn't it exist?

A: People like tradition. Much as they might cry for a change in their life's quality, they are less likely want change in the specifics of a system they've lived in since they were born. To find the origin of the typical "household economy" we were all raised in-- where between the children and their parents people use resources as a community-- is not a difficult matter. Until people reach an age where they are rational, a private economy is dysfunctional. When children are so young that by pouring a liquid from one glass to another you convince them there's an increase in liquid (see below), 'extortion' becomes the name of the game, and the children end up losing everything.


However, by the time children reach the age of about 8 or 9 they gain the ability to discern what actions are in their best interest, and become rational creatures. Once this is the case a private economy works smoothly, and is the more efficient way to organize than a household economy.

Another reason is that children tend not to work in the home, thereby becoming charity cases that depend fully on the wealth of their parents. It creates a different sort of relationship between parent and child that is unfavorable to a private economy, because the concept of ownership is flawed when everything is *really* owned by the parents, who can confiscate the material possessions of their children at any time.

Neither of these issues exist in a college dorm room as its members are both rational and on equal footing. Sadly, with the idea of the 'household economy' still lingering in their mind, they are slow to change.


Alas, when all was said and done and the meeting had adjourned, my level of support was left in shambles. Only after the mockery had begun and the people at large had reaffirmed their belief in community ownership did a precious few confront me with serious interest-- agreeing with what I had to say, or at least willing to give it a try.

One can only hope that the numbers will grow.

16 comments:

  1. I think you, sir, would be much happier and better off if you invested in a single occupancy living space.

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    1. But then all my problems are solved, and what fun would that be?

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  2. This is not a good application of a free market. A dorm room is does not have the same opportunities to buy from other sellers that a true free market has. For example if someone was to "own" the stove and they believe that the price to use the stove is too high is it realistic for someone to use another stove in the building? I believe not. The person cooking would have to bring all of their kitchen tools and food to another kitchen in the building. This would be a colossal undertaking.
    I quote "Another reason is that children tend not to work in the home, thereby becoming charity cases that depend fully on the wealth of their parents...". I'm not sure what kind of home you grew up in where your family waited on you but I do not believe this is the case in every home. Your sample size is too small to make a statement like that. Many children grow up doing dishes, taking out the trash, vacuuming, and mopping floors. This is not a bad, it is actually a very good thing to grow up working in the home.
    I have come away after reading your post asking myself "what problem was to be fixed?" and "would this new solution not complicate things to an extreme amount?". You must also consider the positive externalities that come from collective action.
    Imagine if this system was to be applied to the work place. The owner of the business charge for all extra services at work such as using the restroom, break room, elevator, fridge space, even charging the employee to use the space in which their desk sits. This would infuriate the employees and would never be accepted.
    Your article was well written but I do not feel that this is an idea that should be implemented. Your idea is founded on economic principles but it does not take into account many other factors. It would be much easier for each person to clean up after themselves :)

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    1. It's a perfectly valid complaint that with such a small group of people, there is potential for market power, and therefore overpricing. However, that factor alone not necessarily mean the system proposed is a misapplication of the free market. For starters, I think you exaggerate the ability for an owner of the stove to charge unreasonably. My remark about accessing the resources from other dorm rooms was simply to point out that even if one has market power, they aren't a monopolist- just capitalists in a system with some level of imperfect competitiveness. Keep in mind, however, that the demand for items such as the oven is not particularly inelastic, in that people can substitute their desire to use a oven with the use of the stove or the microwave. If the oven-owner's prices get out of hand, people can always modify what types of foods they will buy on a regular basis- preferring eggs and ramen noodles to large roasts. Since particularly in the case of the oven, meals that require it need not be often consumed, dormmates could schedule friendly meetings and 'get-to-know-yous' with other rooms when they desire oven-produced food.
      Ultimately, the take-away is that fees have to be at least marginally close to the market price, or people will find substitutes.
      And while the small people count is a detriment to a free-market in some regards, it's actually a significant benefit in others. Public good problems that can plague markets with hundreds of millions can be solved more easily by small groups, since the free-market solution of a mass contract is actually viable when only six people have to sign. For example, the six of us tend to have a problem with a bully-type character from a dorm room upstairs, who often charges into our room with a whiffle ball bat and hits people at will for the fun of it. If one of our larger, heftier dorm mates offered his services as a protector of the dorm to fight off this invader, it would benefit all of us to a significant degree. Since no individual would be willing to pay the price, but all of us collectively would receive a higher benefit than our dormmate's cost to defend us, we could form a mutual contract to *all* pay our private defender-- signed by all six of us with the knowledge that should any individual not sign the contract, the service would not be rendered.
      You seem have misunderstood the purpose of the quote I provided regarding children and their being objects of charity to their parents. I fully agree that it is an *excellent* undertaking, as a parent, to teach their children how to do chores and grow their work ethic from a young age. Ultimately, however, even a regular floor mopping and trash removal will not cover the expenses made by a child's parents- he will always fall short. Were the child required to "pay rent" for the house he lives in, the market value of the work he provides would never be sufficient to cover the costs. This, in and of itself, damages the ability to form a free-market style relationship, as parents then assume the role of "true-owners" of all property (and rightfully so), with the power to confiscate material possessions that the children only wished they fully owned. The sample size of this truth is everywhere- very few children break outside this norm, and even if they do, they can never do so from the get go. At some early age they will be dependent on their parents, and as long as that remains the case it is problematic to initiate a free-market. I find it odd that you attack this point in the way that you do, since it's actually a concession, a tragedy that I wish were not so, and a recognition that while the free-market is absolutely the most efficient system man has yet to conceive when the players are rational and the game is fair, there are circumstances such as the household economy where it simply isn't possible.

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    2. This post was simply to contend counter-arguments to the system I initially proposed, which can be found in my first post of this month. If you look on the right bar of the website you'll find it there- "Privatizing the dorm: A practical application of economic theory." In this post I describe the problems with the current community system, and the many problems solved by initiating privatization. I hope that answers you question.
      Since the work place is a very different environment, in which I have never worked, the best I could provide is an experience free opinion after looking it over and giving it some thought. I'm not convinced your correct, and you seem pretty dismissive of the wide spectrum of implications, but it is not the topic of this post nor is it one that I'll delve into at this time.
      If there are many other factors I have failed to take into account, I'd love to hear about them. The one's you've presented, however, have certainly been considered. I have already admitted to imperfections in the system I've described, but I can state with great confidence on solid economic ground that it results in a far better outcome than the status quo.

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    3. This brings up a point I made poorly in my comments: There are intangibles when dealing with human relationships that cannot be quantified with money. Job satisfaction and desirable work environment can make up for differences in salary when looking for a job. For some, this is a major part of their employment, for others it may be less of an impact, but when you are dealing with INDIVIDUALS, you really cannot apply macro-economic theory and expect it to work....as noted, some things just piss people off, regardless if it is "fair" or theoretically sound.

      You cannot take a dis-impassioned view of how people relate when you have to work with them face to face.

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    4. "the free-market is absolutely the most efficient system man has yet to conceive"

      Most efficient for what? Family relationships? Friendships? Marriage? Sorry, but it may be effective and trying to allocate resources for proper economic investment and value-for-service, but personal relationships are NOT at their best when driven by nothing but economic/free market interests.

      And as history has borne out, not everyone is "rational" and the game is rarely "fair"....and you left out "honest".

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    5. Dealing with human relationships *within an economy* can most certainly be, and most always is, quantified with money. Your suggestion that working with money somehow "dis-impassions" these relationships is largely unfounded. Friends do favors for one another all the time, mostly because they don't carry pocket change for the little things. Exchanging money in its stead is no different- in fact better- since it takes the problems of bartering out of the equation and deals with a medium of exchange that applies to everyone.

      You say free-market principles don't apply to romantic relationships, but I respectfully disagree. However, this is genuinely another topic altogether and not something I will go into at this time, but I may make a post on it in here in the relatively-near future since I happen to have an opinion on the matter.

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    6. Why is it unfounded to say that money dis-impassions a relationship? You have said that we only do things for others because we don't have pocket change and that everything can be quantified in terms of money. When you exchange money, that is an end of the relationship because the value expected has been received, no one owes anyone anything and the reward of remuneration is the motivation for interactions. This does NOT build relationships built on integrity and trust, it builds it on a contract that outlines what can and cannot be done, the price of the interaction and the cost of not performing. If that does not dis-impassion a relationship, I don't know what would.

      Without passion and caring, doing things without the expectation of monetary compensation but just doing things because you feel like helping someone is part of our nature just as much as self interest is. But it must be cultivated and you may not always be "rewarded" in the way you expect. In fact, the greatest personal satisfaction usually comes when you have given up the idea of any kind of recognition or reward.

      If that sounds foreign to you, then I suggest that you need to work on it yourself. I do things for others expecting no reward and feel good about it. Maybe in your eyes that makes me fool for not pricing my time and talents properly, but I am happy with who I am and certainly would reject any effort to put a price on personal relationships and integrity.

      I don't think this is a different topic altogether from romantic relationships. While romance changes the nature of the "passion", it represents a deeper form of interpersonal relationship built more on trust and understanding that the exchange of favors or money. Same applies to the apartment. You are trying to de-personalize and systemize interpersonal relationships....won't work.

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    7. The transition from privatization in college dorm rooms to selfish romance is abrupt- even if they are centered around similar root philosophies- but I'll humor you anyway.

      My statement was that *free-market principles* apply to romantic relationships, which does not necessarily imply the exchange of money. In fact dollars, being a government function, are contradictory in their existence to the nature of a truly free market. The principles I refer to is rational, self-interested motivation, which I believe forms successful, loving interaction.

      Consider the scenario that someone says to you: "I'm going to enter a relationship with you, but not because I want to. I don't want to be with you, in fact, it pains me to do so- but I'll do it anyway for your sake." Is that something you want to hear? Of course not. Relationships where both parties are not in it *for themselves* are inherently dysfunctional, since one or both are unhappy with the result. Obviously one must care deeply for his or her partner, as one would treasure the rarest of diamonds- but they should do this because of the happiness their partner brings to *themselves*.

      I don't think you a fool, FOAF. But I do think your altruistic intentions are contrary to true happiness.

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  3. Seems to me that what you are trying to do is not solve poor utility of the "capital" items in the apartment as much as you are trying to solve existing problems with selfish motivations of its occupants . And if the selfish motivations exist now, what is to stop them from manifesting those motivations negatively in an unregulated, purely capitalist environment that you are proposing?
    You refer to things in the apartment as "sources of capital" and people increasing "profits". I assume that means that these things are then sources of generating cash flow? But then you state that this is a "zero sum game"....which is only true if each participant acts fairly and no one who happens to end up with a particular valuable part of the apartment decides to profit excessively. I doubt given your assumptions that this will be a zero sum game.
    From the shower example and the sink "trust" example, you have assumed that all people will act in a purely selfish way, with no consideration for their neighbors. I would HOPE that you and your roommates are not that far gone.
    Some of your ideas seem to assume unselfish behavior. Take your model for computers in the library. If we assume the highly selfish, profit motivated assumptions you are making, I will sit at a computer and putting a little "$1" sign up and wait for someone who REALLY needs the resource to pay me to move. The idea makes some sense if you assume that everyone fairly, but we are working from the assumption that selfish motives are driving things, correct? So I could get lunch money by hanging around and causing people to make a bad investment with their funds to pay for my lunch SIMPLY BECAUSE I GOT THERE FIRST AND HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO, just like your shower example.
    And don't try and say that they will shower at the gym. Your statement of washing dishes in some else’s apartment is absurd. It doesn't sound like anyone is doing their dishes to begin with, why would this motivate them to take the EXTRA time to drag them somewhere else to do them? And we usually show more respect for other people's homes and my guess is that if you went and did your dishes somewhere else, you would probably clean up after yourself. If you and your roommates did this to begin with IN YOUR OWN HOME, you wouldn't have to propose this whole thing, would you?

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    1. To answer your first question, purely selfish motives cannot be manifested negatively in a capitalist environment. By it's very nature, the selfishness of individuals *improves* the quality of the system, with prices being set in a way that maximizes the benefit of the producer and simultaneously works to the benefit of the consumer.
      As a follow-up, *all* of my models assume people are self-interested- from the computers to the dorm room. None of these ideas assume unselfish behavior because people are inherently self-interested. Whether or not people have some level care for others, they will always look out primarily for themselves, as one must in order to survive.
      WIth my model for computers at the library, I'm assuming you think $1 is a hefty price tag. If that turns out to be the case, you could be waiting a long time, as every other computer around you has a lower price, giving selfish consumers exactly zero reason to come purchase your service. It is the fact that when one overprices they will never sell the good that drives them, selfishly, to lower their own price. This is very much *unlike* the community shower example, where consumers rush to a shower that has no price tag attached, in which case you really would go ahead and use it with nothing better to do. Walking into the library of computers sets you up as a consumer in the first place, and if you don't value the computer as much as you'd have to pay initially to get on, only in unselfishness- some newfound love to give money to the man at his computer- would you choose to sit down anyway.
      Showering at the gym is out of the question, since there are two showers in the dorm that would undoubtedly compete with one another. Considering the value of a shower, it's highly unrealistic for someone to acquire enough money to buy both- especially with the added price tag that they'll obtain a monopoly- and certainly in the case of our dorm there's no kid rich enough to do so.
      Washing dishes in someone else's dorm is decidedly a highly subpar option, but it is a desperate option nonetheless, and it prevents a true monopoly. In combination with the other reasons I've described- including high management costs and a high price from the get go- it's safe to say that an owner of both sinks is unlikely to emerge. Keep in mind that also that even washing dishes with a sink does not have an inelastic demand, since people can still modify food options. If I choose to eat less sticky, gooey food, I could get away with using a plate, wiping a few crumbs into the trash can, and then making use of the dishwasher, thereby further preventing a two-sink owner from raising prices.

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    2. People aren't doing dishes currently because they don't own their own dishes-- dishes are community property. Why would I wash the dish I just used when somebody else can wash that and I can just pull out a new one? Somebody ends up washing all the dishes, and so long as it's not you, you can wait it out until someone with a lower mess-tolerance does it for you. This makes for an unfair system that punishes those who do the work for everyone, and one that often has spare dishes lying around in the community sink.
      In the hypothetical that someone does have to wash dishes in another dorm, which probably wouldn't need to happen anyway, it would make sense that they clean up after themselves with selfish motivation. After all, what are my odds of getting invited again if I leave a big mess? Incentives become totally altered when you deal with property that doesn't belong to the community and doesn't belong to you, and that is what brings respect in a selfish manner. You're correct in your assumption that if only people would unselfishly do their own dishes then there wouldn't be a problem, but it's not in the nature of people to act in this manner. The reason you change the system is because that's something that reasonably *can* be done, while trying to change the people *in* the system is something much harder, if not impossible.

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  4. If we now switch to an assumption that people will act fairly and responsibly, then the need for the complicated system of ownership goes away....because you would all act (at least partly) for the common good (and frankly out of some self-interest) and keep the apartment clean. I think at this point you will probably label me a socialist because I am espousing "communal ownership". Heaven forbid....but I am espousing INTEGRITY, INDUSTRY and RESPECT of your fellow human beings that you LIVE with....3 things not generally fostered in a true communist/socialist environment (and 3 things that would keep your apartment cleaner).

    So I have a question: if you lived by yourself, would you clean the shower? Keep the kitchen spotless? Make sure everything was put away after you use it? And if one of your roommates was a neat freak and asked for help cleaning, would you refuse him even though you ELECTED to live with whatever person you were assigned in the dorm? Do you disagree with the assumption that people generally act better when visiting someone else’s house than you do in your own (regarding cleanliness....think the dishes-next-door example)? That certainly is NOT a capitalist motivation. Are you going to require your wife to pay for you to do jobs around the house or help her with the kids?

    The reality is that we all live in a community, with friend, neighbors...roommates...whether it is capitalist or communist. Your macro-economic theory tends to break down when you are talking about a family living in a home and like it or not, you and your roommates are pretty much a family unit right now. These are POEOPLE you live with….something you all seem to be overlooking and not respecting. This situation is only brought to a head because you all won't take the time to be neighborly and responsible citizens of your shared space… show some INTEGRITY and RESPECT the people you live with. That wouldn't make you a communist...it would make you a good person.

    If you want to try a capitalist approach to keeping things up in the apartment, you could offer to pay someone in the apartment to do the chores....I guess that might make him the live-in help, but if he is happy making money from you guys to do the things you should be doing for yourselves, more power to him.

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    1. Once again, these assumptions you make rely around this idea that people have a care for the common good. It simply isn't the case.

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    2. For me, personally, living by myself would mean some things clean and some things left messy- this based on my tolerance for messiness, my ability to clean quickly and the cost of my time. It's a factor that will differ from person to person, but if they own their own living space they *will* clean it to this extent, since there's no one else to do it for them.

      I agree that people generally clean better when they invite other people over, and along these lines they are also very hospitable, but this too can happen through selfish motivation, as people generally like to have guests, and guests aren't going to like to visit when your house looks like a pigsty. Keep in mind that acting selfishly doesn't necessarily fail to cause benefit to other people- quite often the contrary. People have much to gain individually by working with others, and treating them with respect and kindness is an efficient way to work.

      You hold a popular notion that individualism somehow equates to isolationism. That because the system doesn't demand that people satisfy the will of the community, it somehow supports a lack of interaction, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Exchange with the community and respect for their property is an inherent aspect of a capitalist system, and something that's deeply ingrained in American culture, for the better.

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